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Has anyone seen anything like this before?


#1

Sorry “Great All” for this long report:

These samples (photos) were brought to me for identification. According to the owner, were found under the ground in excavations (about one meter deep), in a region where many “ballas” diamonds were found (Bahia-Brazil). Two of them were cut, the others are as rough “as they were found”. The owner has a dozen of them and believes they are some “rare type of spheric ‘balla’ diamond”.
A small window was opened in one of them, made by a lapidary. He reported high hardness and no cleavage (“ballas” are tough and very difficult to cleave).
Previous tests were performed with various strong acids and alkalis (cold and hot) and none of samples was attacked…(according to the chemical lab. report the owner showed me).
My tests:
Hardness: not scratched by tip 8; scratched by tip 9. Specific gravity: 3,64-3,66 (bort and carbonado from Bahia normally has a slightly lower SG than pure crystalline diamond that is 3,50-3,52) . Inert under UV (LW/SW); no diamonds crystallines forms on the surface under magnification 30x…(in other bort and carbonado it’s quite easy to see!). Eletrical/termal condutivity (faceted samples): negative for diamond and positive for metals.
At long last: through the window opened by the lapidary (you can see it in one of the rough balls in the photo) I could see clearly in microscope, shiny molten metal along the edges (caused by the friction of the diamond saw) and the inner surface is opaque milky-white color (or “light creamy-light yellow” color) with lots of small and regular black dots.

My diagnosis: these balls are some kind of man-made ceramic material, with very hard consistency (like those used in grinding tools), probably made with alumina (AlO3), silicate (SiO2)… maybe silicon-carbide or high-alumina (the black dots can be some kind of hard metal like titanium…)
Well, the owner was frustrated (he expected to be in possession of unprecedent “white spheric diamonds”) and suspicious of my conclusions.
I advised him to take them to some major mineral lab, for a complete analysis of mineral composition…
Would anyone have any opinions or objections to my conclusions?? (Sorry for my “google translator” English)

Ben (Florianópolis-Brazil)


#2

I cannot tell you what mineral or any name…but i have seen/touched same before. High probability it is artificial/made. I can be wrong of cours.


#3

Thanks for reply OpalBali !


#4

Hi,

I also think that it some kind of synthetic material, made by man :wink:

Ate a proxima! tudo o mehor,

Charly


#5

Thanks Charly!
:vulcan:


#6

Golf Balls


#7

Definitely Not Diamonds. Your hardness measurement already proved it. ;))


#8

Yes…when the guy told me the lapidary cut those two ones in one day…not a diamond lapidary! :confounded:

I found something similar here: http://www.yyindustry.com/product_show.asp?id=190


#9

Hi
Actually I have seen this stone and I owned 4 of them long time back 15 years back and source of the stone was from Africa and man
told me this stone very rare and only found In remote area.
And as you have said it’s very hard stone and one of my friend purchased one stone from me and he tray vary hard to cut it, even he said
He took the stone to factory to cut it and there heavy cuter machine got broken and finally he broke it and find like crystal inside it.


#10

Interesting…What a pity that no photo remained.


#11

Thank you for joining with you in this professional discussions, and I believe I have one
Stone which I’m looking for it where I kept it. .


#12

If I ever get across this white material again or you do. Investigate and test in a cert lab for sure. The story tales doesnt give any proof.


#13

I agree


#14

I agree with csand.Have seen 1 other like it.very hard,saw smoked!


#15

looks like a ball out of a ball mill, made out of dense zirconia refractory. I have used and cut this stuff for the building of glass furnaces . The stuff is very hard but can be cut with a wet saw . We cut 4 and 6 inch thick blocks for the walls and floor of the tank. The saw we used was 10 hp with a 12inch blade for more cooling and lots of water. Zirconia refractory comes in many different densities. Some look chalky and some look more like white opaque glass, this is due to the amount of alpha quartz used to cement the the zircona matrix. So you may have a siliciclastic zirconia matrix oolite . or a ball mill ball.Or I am way off base and its an alien egg :slight_smile:


#16

Yes… maybe a robot alien egg!! kkk :vulcan:


#17

I like that one lol…almost reminds me of a jawbreaker…


#18

Most likely manmade industrial ceramic of some sort


#19

http://zirconia-ceramics.com/zirconia-ceramic-ball/ The price of zirconia dioxide has come way down so you will see more things made of it .


#20

Hi
Actually I have seen this stone and I owned 4 of them long time back 15 years back and source of the stone was from Africa and man
told me this stone very rare and only found In remote area.
And as you have said it’s very hard stone and one of my friend purchased one stone from me and he tray vary hard to cut it, even he said
He took the stone to factory to cut it and there heavy cuter machine got broken and finally he broke it and find like crystal inside it.